From: "Alan Hoyle" To: "Ring of Fire Ultimate Team" Subject: [ringoffire] Turnover perspective (fwd) Date: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:19 PM There's been a thread on r.s.d about turnovers and efficiency in College Ultimate, and someone brought up the finals. I thought some others would appreciate this analysis. -- Alan Hoyle - alanh@unc.edu - http://www.alanhoyle.com/ "I don't want the world, I just want your half." -TMBG Get Horizontal, Play Ultimate. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:46:58 -0500 (EST) From: James Parinella Subject: Re: WUFF: Turnover perspective Alan, At the championship page, click on Results, then Daily Reports, then Day 4. http://www.upa.org/club/2002_championships/openday4.shtml is for the guys. Additional stuff on the finals: Furious received and scored without turning it at 0--0, 1-3, 2-4, 4-6, 11-7, 12-8, 13-10, 14-11, 16-12. Furious received, turned it, and Ring scored at 1-1, 1-2, and 13-9. Furious recieved, turned, Ring turned, F turned, R turned, F scored at 3-5. Total: 9/13 off the pull, 10/15 overall, Ring 3/5. Ring received and scored without turning at 4-3, 8-13, and 11-16. Ring received, turned, and Fu scored at 6-6, 6-7, 6-8, 6-9, 6-10. (ouch, bad run). Ring received, turn, turn, Ring score at 0-1, 3-2, 5-4. Ring received, turn, turn, turn, Fu score at 6-5. 4 turns and Ring score at 6-11, 7-12, 10-14. 5 turns and Fu score at 11-15. Total: 3/16 off the pull, 9/28 overall, Fu 7/19. Jim On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Alan Hoyle wrote: > Jim, > > Where did you find these game reports on the web site? I haven't seen > anything like this. Can you send me the URL? > > -alan > > On 26 Nov 2002 08:26:09 -0800 in rec.sport.disc you wrote: > > mark wrote in message news:... > >> but are college teams ever very efficient? i'd think a college game with > >> less than 7 or 8 turns per team tends to happen at only the very highest > >> levels of college competition. maybe i'm grossly mistaken - i know the > >> brown guys > >> keep a lot of stats on this stuff (or used to at least). any numbers > >> available? > > > > I think that people's expectations are incorrectly skewed based on the > > occasional game with only a few turnovers. > > > >> also... > >> > >> didn't the finals at nationals have a 20-16 ring:furious TO ratio? i know > >> that's an anomaly for both of those teams, and it was a game to 17, > >> but still...those numbers are pretty similar to what xi xia mentioned. > >> > > From the reports on the UPA page: > > Furious had 17 TOs, Ring had 21. There was a big difference depending > > on which team started on O. On the 13 points when Furious received, > > Furious had 5 TOs, Ring had 2. On the 16 points that Ring received, > > Ring had 19 TOs and Furious had 12. > > > > Mixed finals: Each team had 19 TOs. > > Hang Time receiving (18 pts): HT 14 TO, DP 7 > > Donner Party receiving (19 pts): DP 12 TO, HT 5 > > > > Women's finals: (Note: the UPA page shows Godiva receiving to start > > both the first half and the second half. I'll assume the report is > > incorrect and assign Fury an extra turnover.) Each team had 27 TOs. > > Godiva receiving (17 pts): Godiva 18 TO, Fury 11 > > Fury receiving (16 pts): Fury 16 TO, Godiva 9 > > > > Masters finals: not enough info available. > > > > Jim > > > -- > Alan Hoyle - alanh@unc.edu - http://www.alanhoyle.com/ > "I don't want the world, I just want your half." -TMBG > Get Horizontal, Play Ultimate. > ___ You are currently subscribed to ringoffire as: jproctor@nc.rr.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ringoffire-206074M@listserv.unc.edu